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Wednesday, September 30, 2015

ALL YOUR COMMENTS


30 Sep 15, 02:20 PM

JM Aboobucker: Arguments concluded. The Court has moved on to case no.106.Let us await reporting from the Court. (Is it that simple to presume 'Arguments concluded'! We had information court will return to 105 later as confirmed by subbu: appears from display board that case no.105 hearing is again resumed.?? -Ed.)

30 Sep 15, 02:26 PM

parasuram: rahu kalam over let us wait for some good news

30 Sep 15, 02:28 PM

subbu: tomorrow is 1st oct.15. i sh verify wh it is the old pension or upgraded pension.

30 Sep 15, 02:30 PM

JM Aboobucker: Editor ji also on lunch break I suppose. Awaiting change of scrolling news.

30 Sep 15, 02:34 PM

subbu: Aboobucker Sir ! Awaiting change of scrolling news !! we are awaiting change of our fate.

30 Sep 15, 02:42 PM

S R Dudy: What is court verdict??

30 Sep 15, 02:51 PM

subbu: appears from display board that case no.105 hearing is again resumed.??

30 Sep 15, 03:14 PM

ramarao: again a set back hope better in november we are really very very very unlucy for geting the half result at least definitely the case may be extended for another decade

30 Sep 15, 03:31 PM

R.K.ViSWANATHAN: Another agonizing one and a half month wait. Lucky are those who received some payment. Unlucky are those who did not get anything and some who got woefully less.How do we proceed with this

30 Sep 15, 03:50 PM

ramarao: dear editor sir, while morning i observed through scrolling that in case 101 a detailed order is dictated by judge what order to which it pertains our case resembles that of edison invention of electric bulb in his assignment he won at 100th time whether we follw the suit or not. (That was a mention about what was going on in the court. The case and order do not pertain to us. -Ed.)

30 Sep 15, 04:20 PM

karunakaran: Courts cannot feel the pain of the petitioners. But our God will do, I believe.

30 Sep 15, 04:50 PM

B.D.Bhargava: They say Bhagawan ke Der hai Andher nahin, I consider Der as the greatest Andher or Injustice,

30 Sep 15, 04:56 PM

subbu: My Dear Editor Sir ! You saw the date correctly I hope. 
Someone says it is 18.11.2115.

30 Sep 15, 05:46 PM

B Ganga Raju: Well Begun is half done. Obiter dicta as reported is also encouraging. We have to wait till the egg is hatched . What else is there for us?

All the high and mighty pushed us to the position where legal fight alone became the option available for fighting for updation.

30 Sep 15, 05:50 PM

A.thyagarajan: O GOD! Now we have to wait for FIFTY more days to know the next date of hearing in Supreme Court.

*** OUR CASE ADJOURNED TO 18TH NOVEMBER 2015 * IT WAS ALSO DECIDED BY THE COURT THAT OUR CASE WILL BE ON TOP OF THE LIST ***






30 Sep 15, 12:30 PM

SDSARMA: What a pioneering editorial zeal in the presentation and get-up.

30 Sep 15, 01:22 PM

R.K.ViSWANATHAN: May God be with us today and the divine invisible hand write the judgment.


30 Sep 15, 12:59 PM

subbu: I should be coming to GURUVAYURAPPAN TEMPLE TO weight myself and offer that much of kalkandu, if we get UPGRADATION OF PENSION. Will Guruvayurppan be that lucky? Sorry. Will we be that lucky?
30 Sep 15, 12:18 PM

JM Aboobucker: Thank you Editor ji for the fantastic speed with which you are bringing out SC Hearing by Flash News. We feel we are hearing running commentary of the court proceedings.


A big contingent of Senior Officers of Personnel &
Legal Dept landed in Court today.

Direct impact of 7 Sept Order & the subsequent
stiff messages from the Bench.


M Sreenivasa Murty 
Outside Court No 5, 
Supreme Court of India 




30 Sep 15, 11:57 AM

B Ganga Raju: It is night time in USA. S.D.Sarma following news on LICPC at this hour is really great. Internet is such a great boon it keeps the leaders sleepless. Ball by ball commentary ..Simply wonderful.

30 Sep 15, 11:53 AM

subbu: Presentation GOOD. CONTENTS: NIL. it always happens in Five Star Hotels. Happens at MDC ALSO !!!!


comments !
30 Sep 15, 11:37 AM

SDSARMA: What a running presentation! Great work EDITORJI!





CLICK HERE FOR SC DISPLAY BOARD


Dear Editor,

After seeing the wonderful astrological predictions posted in the PC by the learned Co-Pensioners, M/s Subbu & VS Rajamani, my hopes of a great outcome today are further elevated. 

I am fully prepared with valuable additional inputs received from Sri C H Mahadevan, even this morning.  

Looking forward to a fruitful effort and good news. Will remain in touch 

Sreenivasa Murty M
Camp: New Delhi

"Keshadhipadham thozhunne. ! Keshava !!"


30 Sep 15, 08:01 AM

subbu: Rajamani Sir !! Thank U for your nice words !! My star is also Aswini. Rightly you described it as the Star of Kethu. Guru aspecting Moon is also Good no doubt. You said that day may not be THE FINAL HEARING DAY !! Well ! A desperate mind is ever in quest of something good. Yes. Miracles do happen.

v s r ! very sound reasoning ! And sincere too ! u know Aswni people! They are more driven towards Gnana marga realising the transience and futility of worldly mundane things. But Rajamani sir ! I wish now I could have aspired to become an MP. So many of them who have never spoken a word even during the not many sessions they attended receive a fatter pension than those of us toiled for 41 years without a grudge !! That is also Guruvayurappan's Leela!
Keshadhipadham thozhunne. ! Keshava !!

VS Rajamani

Tuesday, September 29, 2015

Hope atleast hearing takes place !


29 Sep 15, 08:26 PM


subbu: News is pouring that everyone is praying for hearing us at least. I hope at least hearing takes place.

29 Sep 15, 08:07 PM

JM Aboobucker: Our prayers to the Almighy God for full Success in our long-drawn out battle for justice.

DAILY LIST FOR WEDNESDAY 30TH SEPT 2015

DAILY LIST FOR WEDNESDAY, 30TH SEPTEMBER, 2015 COURT NO. 5
 
105. C.A. NO. 8959-8962/2013 XV

LIC OF INDIA AND ORS VS. MR. ASHOK PANIGRAHI

KRISHNA MURARI LAL ASTHANA AND ANR ETC.

(WITH APPLN. (S) FOR DIRECTIONS AND DISMISSAL OF APPEAL AND PERMISSION TO FILE ADDITIONAL DOCUMENTS AND OFFICE REPORT)
 MR. RAMESHWAR PRASAD GOYAL


WITH C.A. NO. 6995/2013 (S. IV) (WITH APPLN. (S) FOR PERMISSION TO FILE ADDITIONAL DOCUMENTS AND OFFICE REPORT) ,

C.A. NO. 9223/2013 (S. XIV) (WITH APPLN. (S) FOR INTERVENTION AND INTERVENTION AND OFFICE REPORT)
,
 C.A. NO. 9409-9410/2013 (S. XV) (WITH INTERIM RELIEF AND OFFICE REPORT) ,

 SLP(C) NO. 14774-14777/2015 (S. XV) (WITH OFFICE REPORT)

MR. ASHOK PANIGRAHI, MR. B. KRISHNA PRASAD MR. JAY SAVLAMR. SAJITH. PMS. SUSHMA SURI, DR. KAILASH CHANDMR. JAY SAVLA MR. SAJITH. PMR. 
T. L. GARGMS. SUSHMA SURI
[ BETWEEN ITEM NOS. 1 TO 5 IN THE HEARING LIST ]

Our cases tomorrow in Supreme Court


Dear Editor,

As per tomorrow's Final Daily List our cases Sl No is 105 (1 to 5) and there are 5 (five) miscellaneous matters above us. So virtually ours is the 10th case for the day. Court sits full day.

Rest is in HIS hands.
M Sreenivasa Murty 
Camp: New Delhi

Voluntary retirement


29 Sep 15, 03:59 PM

Perumalmaruthu: Thanks a lot Sri CHM sir! Banks also have same Rule in respect of specially recruited staff (26. Addition to qualifying service in special circumstances- )// Mr Pradeepkumar deals with 5 year weightage for VRS optees under Regulation 29(29. Pension on Voluntary Retirement) (5) The qualifying service of an employee retiring voluntarily under this regulation shall be increased by a period not exceeding 5years!

Clarity about payment of Interim payment


Dear Editor,

As feared LIC sought adjournment by 'mention'.  The Judge refused and reminded LIC Counsel of the priority of SC Orders' compliance on IR over any move for Adjournment. I think the proceedings on 30th will bring clarity on payment of 20% IR such as to whom whether inclusive of upgradation etc.

Is this not a solo intelligent effort & achievement of Chandighar group? Fearing this delays our case is unfound.

B.Sudhakar

Visakhapatnam

COURT ROSE FOR THE DAY. TOMORROW IS ANOTHER DAY. GOD BLESS US ALL, WRITES SHRI MURTY.

Today in Supreme Court

Dear Editor, 

Miscellaneous item No 12 was taken up. Mr Mukul Rohtagi, Attorney General and Mr Kapil Sibal on either side. There was spirited discussion among all on the procedure part of the cases before the Bench. When both sides gave their their views, Justice Misra declared "alright we will hear the matter'. All sat down and Mr Rohtagi is on his feet 

Looks like it is a serious matter and no wonder if it goes on for the rest of the day. 

Many others waiting for their turn, slowly moved out and melted away. 

Wondering if I should follow suit. Will consult Mr Jay Savla and decide. To prepare for tomorrow from home makes better sense. 

M Sreenivasa Murty 

JM Aboobucker: Our case in SC is coming up for hearing today. Ours is in Sl No.105. Before this there are 13 Misc. cases. Virtually we are in Sl No.13+5 =18. 




FULL PENSION AND PROPORTIONATE PENSION‏


Referring to the posts of Mr Pradeep Kumar  and others relating to the addition to the qualifying service when the length of service is less than 33 years that will entitle the pensioner to full pension, LIC pensioners are governed by Rule No 27 of the LIC Pension Rules 1995 which reads as follows:

“Rule 27.

Addition to qualifying service in special circumstances - An employee shall be eligible to add
to his service qualifying for superannuation pension (but not for any other class of pension) the actual period not exceeding one-fourth of the length of his service or the actual period by which his age at the time of recruitment exceeded twenty-eight years, or a period of five years, whichever is less, if the service or post to which the employee is appointed is one -

(a) for which post-graduate research, or specialist qualification or experience in scientific,
technological or professional fields is essential; and

(b) to which candidates of more than twenty-eight years of age are normally recruited; and

(c) for which the candidate was given age relaxation over and above the maximum age limit fixed
by the Corporation on account of his possessing higher qualifications or experience:
Provided that this concession shall not be admissible to an employee unless his actual qualifying service at the time he quits the service in the Corporation is not less than ten years:

Provided further that this concession shall be admissible only if the recruitment rules in respect of the said service or post contain a specific provision that the service or post is one which carries the benefit of this rule.”
So in order to get the  benefit of addition to qualifying service to the actual length of service, an LIC employee has to satisfy conditions (a),(b) & (c) in the above Rule.
Assuming that an employee satisfying conditions (a), (b) & (c) above joined LIC  at the age of 33 years and retired on 31/3/1995 at the age of 58 years, his length of actual service  would have been 25 years.His age at recruitment exceeds 28 by 5 years.25% of actual length of service is 6  years.So  a  maximum period of 5 years (=33 minus 28)will be added to his length of service making the maximum qualifying service as 30 years and proportionate pension in the ratio of 30/33 would have been worked out on the full pension and paid to him.
Greetings.
C H Mahadevan

The truth

M Sreenivasa Murty


 Dear Editor,

OUR CASES BEFORE THE SUPREME COURT –
FACTS BEING MISREPRESENTED

In continuation of my Post this afternoon on what happened in SC today, I wish to confirm that AFTER LIC's request for adjournment was turned down with a direction to raise it when the matters are taken up as per the Cause List, the Bench (Justice Dipak Misra) has put LIC on Notice that its compliance of the interim directions to pay 20% would be reviewed at that time. The Advocate representing Chandigarh Petitioners who was present has not herself raised it today, as it was not the issue before the Court. Can’t the issue be fresh in Judge’s mind as it was already raised by us in the mention exercise on 23rd? 

It was a double jeopardy for LIC - its request for adjournment rejected and also told to report compliance on 20% payment.     

In this background, what a skewed reporting of even a favourable development? Why does Mr KML Asthana feel rattled so much?  

Who said a review on compliance of 20% payment order delays final hearing? BTW, since when Mr KML Asthana became the champion of early Final Hearing? Was he not on record from April 2014 onwards that the Final Hearing was nowhere in sight in spite of SC Order on GNS IA to post all Appeals for Final hearing? With his own absurd arguments like Notices not yet served on LRs, Final Hearing is not for the CAs but it is on his IAs etc.,? They say public memory is short; Is Mr KML Asthana's memory also that short? Today he questions our efforts and asks 'don't they want final hearing?' For his information our preparation for the Final hearing is much more serious and professional if he has not cared to notice the Additional documents we filed (served on his Counsel also) as listed in the 2nd Supplementary Cause List for 29 Sept (Extract reproduced below)

REGULAR HEARING MATTERS --

 [ 101 - 120 ITEM Nos. 101 - 120 SHOWN BEFORE THIS COURT IN THE SUPPLEMENTARY LIST FOR 29.09.2015 ISSUED ON 26.09.2015 ]

NOTE: I.A.NO.7 (APPLN.(S) FOR PERMISSION TO FILE ADDITIONAL DOCUMENTS) MAY BE TREATED TO HAVE BEEN LISTED ALONGWITH C.A.NO.6995/2013.

Please accept that our efforts to expose LIC’s contemptuous non-compliance on 20% payment are paying dividends. It is my firm conviction that SC’s directions to pay 20% was applicable to ALL LIC Pensioners but not on ‘pick & choose’ basis. That the payment shall include up-gradation also. If on a review of LIC’s (non) compliance so far, SC were to clarify its Order and direct LIC clearly on the lines our IA No 6 of 2015 prayed, is it to be welcomed or should it cause any heart-burn to anybody? In the event of no such directions coming and the issue gets linked to final disposal by the SC itself, we are where we are now and certainly NOT WORSE OFF. What is Mr KML’s problem? That his ‘strategic inaction’ when action is called for, would get exposed?

If what to pay and whom to pay is not clarified to our advantage now, how are we in a stronger position on those things later?  

PS: There is some chance (very remote though) of the matters reaching on Tuesday (29th) itself. I will be attending the proceedings on 29th & 30th Sept.         

Monday, September 28, 2015

MV VENUGOPALAN


They may concentrate on the following:-

1. Since all the three leaders agree on the point that LIC has committed, wanton, grave errors in the computation of the DR arrears, hammer out a legal solution to the problem which clearly spells out the one and only method LIC should deploy to calculate the DR, factoring in 100% neutralisation for the pre-1997 pensioners. The Order should not be a repeat of the 7th May and 7th September Order of the SC which will pave the way for multiple interpretations and eventually end up as a cry in the wilderness.

2. Having known the mind of LIC and their moves by now, brief the respective counsels suitably to counter them effectively and defeat their motives. It is an open secret that LIC is only against granting of up-gradation of pension We should bestow extra attention on areas of vulnerability in this regard and ensure steering clear of slippery terrains , if any. During the past several months, we have had in-depth and lengthy discussions on several of these aspects and certain consensus also have been arrived at. Mr.GNS being a non-state actor in this dispensation, it is for both Mr.Murty and Mr.Asthana to be more vigilant while navigating this rather difficult path.

3. Manage to get a speaking Order,leaving no room. whatsoever for any kind of ambiguities. We have tasted what an unclear and vaguely worded Order means.

4. The Political and Economic climate seems to augur well for us. The recent verdicts delivered by Honb’le Dipak Misra in a few similar cases, coupled with the OROP implementation are bound to come to our aid. If only the counsels of both Mr.Asthana and Mr.Murty refrain from acting against each other in the court room on 30th, we can rather boldly say that victory is within our grasp. Best wishes of the pensioners to both of them.

Attention: Shri Pradeepkumar, Advocate


28 Sep 15, 07:57 PM


Wrt "ARTICLE BY N.PRADEEP KUMAR"....it appears he is confused as he has not understood the 5 year Notional Weightage! A VRS optee is eligible to get an additional service to the extent of his remaining years of service subject to a ceiling of 5 years. In all the examples quoted by him, he has erroneously added FULL 5 years even for whom who are left with no remaining serviceable years!

No VRS optee can get more than a superannuated person of similar cases!

Sleepy


28 Sep 15, 07:03 PM

venkata Ramani: I feel sleepy. Wake me up when everything is settled.

28 Sep 15, 08:06 PM

subbu: Venkata Ramani Sir !! It is a good cause indeed. Now they will ask for an adjournment till u wake up.

SC case


By no stretch of imagination it appears that the Panchkula Unit has been fighting for themselves only and not for the entire LIC Pensioners' community. 

The infighting has unfortunately continued unabated. The appeals by quite a few well-meaning Pensioners through the columns of LICPC have gone unheeded. May his lordship save us!

Dattatraya B Deshpande

Predictions





28 Sep 15, 04:34 PM


Think Subbu's prediction is becoming reality.  Even the aspect of infighting.


MURTY WRITES

IN SUPREME COURT TODAY - 
A VERY WELCOME DEVELOPMENT - 
JUSTICE MISRA MAKES HIS MIND KNOWN TO LIC

Dear Sri Gangadharan, 

As per the telephonic information received by me a while ago, LIC once again made a mention today for adjournment of our matters on the ground that the Solicitor General who is retained by LIC to argue its Appeals, is not going to be free tomorrow/ day after. Our Ms Renuka Sahu was present (besides Mr RK Singh).

Justice Misra declined the request firmly and said 'Appear tomorrow/ Day After (meaning whenever the case comes up) and say what you want to. THE JUDGE THEN ADDED ON HIS OWN, "WE WILL REVIEW YOUR COMPLIANCE ON THAT DAY OF OUR ORDER TO PAY 20%". 

That is the news as per my Advocate. 

Some strange version of this development is promptly ( for the first time, so soon?) is circulated by Sri KML. He will never change. God bless him. 

GOOD DAYS ARE AHEAD FOR ALL LIC PENSIONERS. 
M Sreenivasa Murty 

EARLIER ASTHANA WROTE

DEAR ALL,

TODAY ON CALL BEING RECEIVED FROM SHRI PANGARIA AOR OF LIC OUR ADVOCATE SHRI RK SINGH HAD ATTENDED THE SC AT 10.30 AM. AT THAT TIME ONLY JUNIOR ADVOCATE A LADY WAS PRESENT ON BEHALF OF MR JAY SAVLA. ON MENTION BEING MADE BY THE AOR OF LIC FOR ADJOURNMENT OF THE CASE SINCE THE SOLICITOR GENERAL IS NOT AVAILABLE TO PLEAD THE CASE ON THEIR BEHALF OUR MR RK SINGH ADVOCATE VEHEMENTLY OPPOSED THE SAME ON WHICH THE HON'BLE COURT REFUSED TO ADJOURN THE HEARING BUT KEPT IT OPEN WHEN THE CASE IS CALLED UPON. IT IS REALLY STRANGE THAT WHEN THE ADJOURNMENT FOR FINAL HEARING WAS BEING OPPOSED THE ADVOCATE FOR CHANDIGARH ONLY RAISED THE QUESTION OF 20%. IT HAS NOW BECOME SURE THAT THEY ARE NOT INTERESTED FOR FINAL DECISION OF THE CASE WITHOUT ANY FURTHER LOSS OF TIME BUT ARE INTERESTED FOR 20% PAYMENT ONLY FOR SOME PETITITIONERS, WHICH HAS BECOME MEANINGLESS SINCE AFTER FINAL DECISION THE PAYMENT WILL HAVE TO BE MADE PER FORCE TO ALL THE PENSIONERS ON OUR WINNING THEN WHY THERE IS HARPING ONLY FOR 20% AND THAT TOO OF WHAT. 

THIS IS ANOTHER PLOY TO HELP LIC TO GET THE FINAL DECISION DELAYED AND NOT TO ACHIEVE THE FINAL VICTORY FOR ALL THE PENSIONERS. PL CONSIDER WHETHER THE FINAL VICTORY AND PAYMENT TO ALL THE PENSIONERS IS DESIRED OR THE CHANDIGARH PEOPLE BE ALLOWED TO PULL OUR LEGS IN THE NAME OF 20% ONLY AND THAT TOO TO A LIMITED NUMBER OF PENSIONERS WHO ARE PETITIONERS THERE.

IT IS CLEAR THAT WHILE AIRIEF AND JAIPUR ARE FIGHTING FOR ALL THE PENSIONERS PANCHKULA UNIT HAS CONFINED ITSELF TO THEIR OWN PETITIONERS ONLY UNDER THE GUIDANCE AND CONTROL OF THEIR MENTOR MS MURTY, WHICH IS CLEAR AND BEING AFFIRMED BY ACTIVITIES REPEATED IN THE CASE OF NONPAYMENT OF 20% TO OUR PENSIONERS AND CHANDIGARH PETITIONERS THE QUESTION OF CONTEMPT OF COURT WILL ALWAYS REMAIN OPEN EVEN AFTER FINAL DECISION AND PAYMENT TO ALL.
KML ASTHANA

The need of the hour



To believe or not in astrology


Having witnessed several unpredictable adjournments in our court cases Subbu’s sudden fascination for astrological prediction in our case is understandable. He laboured very much on the planetry position on SEP 30 to say the unwelcome prediction : ‘Surya being in Kanya where Rahu is also positioned, how we wish that he is not positioned that way, the GOI side may force an adjournment or even ask for referring the issue of maintainability to a larger bench ‘. When I read the word Rahu an incident came to my mind. 

An anxious father whose son’s marriage was dodging called an astrologer home and asked him to predict his son’s marriage. The astrologer after nitty- gritty calculation said that Rahu in the boy’s horoscope is in the fourth house and so his marriage will be delayed. The boy having heard this barged in and said ‘ Radha my love is in the fourth house and yesterday I got married to her in the Registrar’s office.

Good time or bad time lies in the hands of our lawyers who should use all the court craft, waste no time on unnecessary details and whatever they argue should be such that it influences the mind of the learned judge to give an order in our favor.

May dharma prevail and truth triumph.

R.K.VISWANATHAN
ARTICLE  BY N.PRADEEP KUMAR
ADVOCATE, SUPREME   COURT OF INDIA
CELL PHONE NO: 9014986460.

AN  ADVICE  TO  ALL  BANK  EMPLOYEES”, “WHO  ARE ON  THE  VERGE OF  RETIREMENT”, “AS  SOLICITED  BY MOST  OF THEM”--  PART-I.

Subbu's astrological predictions


27 Sep 15, 10:49 PM

subbu: On 30th, ie.(13th Month Purattasi (Badrapad)) both Jupiter and Venus are in Simha Rasi. Ruler of Simha Rasi is Sun. Venus and Jupiter are both Acharyas. Venus is for Rakshas and Guru for Devas,Guru is enemical to Sukra which is enemical to Surya which is the Lord of Simha. In Simha Rasi, there is Mars also which is Lord of Vrichika where Saturn, the Lord of Longevity is sitting.

Sukra and Guru are in Griha yudhdha also while simultaneously being at quadrant to Saturn. A lot of infighting could be expected. Perhaps an exasperated Judge may refer back the case to a lower Court.

It is also possible that Surya being in Kanya where Rahu is also positioned, the GOI side may force an adjournment or even ask for referring the issue of maintainability to a larger Bench.

Sunday, September 27, 2015

INTERIM DISTRESS ?


ARE YOU A PRE- AUGUST 1997 RETIREE (CLASS I RETIRED ATER 1/4/1993 OR CLASS II, III&IV RETIRED AFTER 1/8/1992) WITH BASIC PENSION OF RS 2400/- OR LESS? THEN YOU HAVE TO PAY BACK TO LIC!

There was a serendipitous discovery today by me when I received some calculations of interim relief in Excel format from a senior retired officer of LIC who belongs to the pre-Aug 1997 retiree category.

When I went through his calculations in one of the four charts sent by him, I was shocked to notice, that according to the method followed by LIC ( as done for depositing amounts at Jaipur HC Registry) a pre-August 1997 retiree Class I Officer at Basic Pension 2400/-(may be in the cadre of AAO) draws a negative interim relief of Rs -339/- upto 31/7/2015.It means he has to pay back Rs 339/- to LIC!

Is it the reason that many pre-August 1997 retiree Class I Officers are yet to receive interim relief? Or perhaps there are not many retired AAOs with such low Basic Pension.It is a puzzle that only LIC can explain.

Is it an interim relief or interim distress?

But one thing is certain.the method followed by LIC is anomalous and LIC cannot satisfy the Supreme Court that it has complied with their order dt 7/5/2015 & The relevant  calculations are given in the following table.


A. Existing Pension DRAWN UPTO 31/7/2015
Existing Basic Pension
2400
DR per slab
8.4
No of months
216
Total amount of Basic Pension
518400
Total no of existing DR slabs
110292
Total DR
926453
Total Existing Gross Pension Received upto July 15
1444853
B.WHAT IS DUE AS AT 31/7/2015 ON 100% DR NEUTRALISATION
Revised Basic Pension on 1/8/1997
3643
DR per slab
8.3789
No. of months
216
Total no of slabs upto 31/7/2015
78324
Total DR upto 31/7/2015
656269
Total  Revised Basic Pension from 1/8/1997 to 31/7/2015
786888
Total Gross Pension from 1/8/1997 to 31/7/2015
1443157
Arrears due on 31/7/2015
-1696
Interim  relief
-339

Greetings.
C H Mahadevan

Apropos Shri Subbu's Comments


I appreciate Shri Subusab's witty comments on Relationship....I take the remarks have been made in a lighter vein.

Many must have smiled, enjoyed while reading in the PC a few humorous articles written by some very senior pensioners recently, after getting some amount credited to their bank accounts. The articles were lively in the hours of gloom. LIC machines knowingly or unknowingly have faltered in computation of 100% at the first instance and 20% while making disbursement to individual bank accounts of some pensioners.

May be Shri Subbu's Comments aren't for fun or mirth but seriously made to bring home the truth to his and public knowledge.

Three against one. Sarvshri. K.M.L.A., G.N.S. and M.S.M. / LIC (UOI).

Shri MSM wants the Apex Court to know that the LIC has made ' wrong calculations ' etc. ( no need to go into details here ). If one goes with an incorrect premise, the end result too will be incorrect. His counsellor may be (meaning - must be ) allowed to present his side of the case. It should go on statute record of the day's proceedings. If convinced, the Hon. Justices have their ' say ' not to allow computation / arithmetical inaccuracies while making payment on a future date. The errors committed while making 20% of the deposited money etc. be rectified. 

No one to hang.

Another learned counsellor has a say for payment in Rem, judgement be made applicable to all pensioners ( deceased and living ), not just only to the petitioners and to ('registered') members of a Federation.There is the senior most to plead to get in ' toto ' what is ordered by the Hon. Justice Shri. Bhandari.


Some kind of sacrifice, some kind of accommodation / adjustment, some bending by one or by all is need of the hour.

To sum up, it is incumbent, it is necessary for our leaders to see eye to eye - outside court room ( behind the scene ) inter actions and before the bench inside the court room.

SN ( a 1992 Pensioner )

Of Vaidhyas, Vaidheekas and Vakils


27 Sep 15, 01:56 PM

subbu: There are three dreaded tribes in our mortal world. Vaidhyas, Vaidheekas and vakils. Vaidhyas will never leave us till we die. Vaideehas will not leave us even on death. Vakils (lawyers) follow us thro' all our births. Whatever fees we fogot to pay the lawyers during our previous janma, we pay them now.. 

My dad (who was a constitutional lawyer those days) used to say:
the lawyer's job is defending the indefensible. It is not his job to speak only what is true, as with pure cement, none can construct any house. U will have to add sand to cement.  But in what proportion sand is to be added to the cement depends on the lawyer's understanding of not only the case, not even the laws, but with what he could convince those to whom he speaks. 

This wonderful gentleman Krishna Prasad goes on advising, sometimes admonishing also. Says always B Positive. B Positive. But several to whom he addresses are AB - negative.

Let's wait for the D-Day


27 Sep 15, 12:09 PM

JM Aboobucker: All the efforts of well-meaning senior pensioners to bring about an amity among the 3 Case Managers and consequent chorus voice by their counsels in the SC on 30th fall into deaf ears due to their ego-ism and one-up-man ship. It is a sad situation. However let us not lose heart. Ours is a just and right cause and certainly the final victory will be ours with the blessings of the Almighty God. Let us wait for the D Day with bated breath.

Materials to LIC ?




Replies kept ready!

26 Sep 15, 11:49 AM

G.Krishna Prasad: Mutual recriminations continue.Instead of airing your views publicly like and possibly providing material to LIC for their defence, why
this
don't you all sit together and evolve a common strategy ?


27 Sep 15, 11:52 AM

G.Krishna Prasad: Again, some restraint is needed when matter is in Court. Actuarial or legal analysis of "interim" issues may well harm us.Mr.Murthy needs to be positive himself.

Subbu's comments


26 Sep 15, 08:13 PM


subbu: Raamachandran Sir !! I dont know what u really refer to. Anyway, u may write a CR. but ur boss rewrites it. Man proposes. God not deposes.Disposes outright. In higher echolons, it is not the CR but the image or peception is more important, I was taught later. Anyway, lessons in the classroom are not there to be remembered.They r to be forgotten the moment u leave the centre.

RKV Sir ! U R perfect ! That day I went straight to Ayyappa Temple and got sakklarai pongal prasadam. The same amount was given to everyone. But here, this God is different. He acts only on instructions from his Dwarakapalas. How can anyone over rule one's own PA? He knows everying of us. So, here, this God must have been advised, Give something differently to all, so that let them fight amongst themselves and I shall have some time till they settle amongst them and come to me. Anyathaa sharanam nasthi thvamewa sharanam mama. Let them understand this first.

In all humility, RKV Sir, I write only in lighter vein. I am really afraid your God and my God will put up a joint front and possibly see that we do not get even the present prasaadham to everyone . I write only in lighter vein. Never intend offending or hurting anyone. I write just to diffuse the tension prevailing. A few of my freinds are so emotionally attached to the left and right of this case. My appeal to everyone is be detached with the outcome. It is not that we must not try. On a day, when there was a set back in the case, my good friend had a heart attack and decided to receive subsequent monthly pensions in the upper world.

Here comes NAVARATHRI. Let us all synergise our efforts in praying to Goddesses Durga, Lakshmi and Saraswathi to bestow on all pensioners what they deserve in their eyes and hearts and wisdom.

Someone whispers that by receiving the arrears 20%, his
annual income from pension goes to 30% slab for income tax purposes. Could it be !!

Murthy Garu !! U R arranging a camel ride for me ? !!!! Good. Very Good Indeed. But who is the camel ??

Thanks SN (1992) . I agree totally when u say RELATIONSHIP IS MORE IMPORTANT THAN THE POINT WE WANT TO PROVE. i hope u mean our relationship from whom we receive pension. Is it or is it not??

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26 Sep 15, 06:35 PM

SDSARMA: Dear President of AIRIEF, did you not see several appeals made by Sh.MSM to kmla, why now blaming him for noncooperation. Did he ever say no for meetings? Don't try to save people who are egoistic.

Keep your personality above board and enhance the position you are occupying and continue to lead a life you are known for in the eyes of all of us including s/s Chabbra, Mehta etc.

RKV sir please keep your health in tact as your writings are inspirational to many of us. 

PART 1



Dear LIC Pensioners,

Forget what the so called ‘Leaders’ want. Forget how much more (IL) LEGAL FUNDs their Organizations want. After tasting millions of Rupees as easy money for years with no obligation to render accounts, their insatiable thirst for more, is resurfacing. They will flourish and quench their thirst for more, as long as there are gullible devotees willing to contribute/collect. Ignore the whole bunch of self-seekers. Don’t pay anything to anybody. Till LIC pays you all that is legally and justly due to you.

What exactly do the LIC Pensioners & Family Pensioners deserve?             
When the Law of the Land entitles them for it?

How to achieve the ultimate goal with a holistic approach? What are the obstacles and how to overcome them?

Here is my honest analysis. Bless all those who agree.  Also bless all those who don’t. Keep going.  Don’t abandon the cause.

Our cases for Pension are before the highest Court of Justice. Before a Bench whose eloquent pronouncements on the Law governing Pensions are too recent and too clear for anybody to miss. We are at the last bend in the race. Go full throttle and hit the Post. Don’t let others block your progress on the track, the way it happens in other races.   

In  retrospect, when the Final Hearing was not progressing at the desired velocity after the 2nd week of August 2014 (era of self-goals) the long adjournment to 23 Sept 2015 thrust on us by the Govt-LIC combine on 7 May, the Interim Directions to pay 20% was God (Bench) sent. Let no Respondent commit the sin of claiming credit for it. We all welcomed the big relief but we also knew the gaping holes in the Order. 20% of ‘how much’ and ‘Pay to whom’ remained grey areas. None of us was prepared to seek clarifications (for good reasons, knowing the vagaries of our justice system) and the one (LIC) who should have done it, chose/advised not to approach the SC. As feared, LIC played havoc in the name of implementation, taking undue advantage of the Order as it was given) and merrily tried to drag the issue beyond 23 Sept and eventual final decision in the CAs.           

My efforts before the Chandigarh HC: Please bear with me for certain repetitions. July 20 (successful) attempt to stall withdrawal of 20% was toexpose LIC before the SC about its non-implementation of the 7 May Order. This step facilitated moving an IA before the SC on 7 Sept just in time to take the true status to the notice of the Apex Court. It was sickening if not disheartening that the wonderful platform created utilizing the 20 July HC Order, was not supported by the other players including those who later are the direct beneficiaries of the 7 Sept Order. My Counsel was surprised why the IA was brazenly opposed on 7 Sept and again more vociferously on 23rd by the Jaipur AoR.  It is another matter that he had even flouted the clear instructions believed to have been issued by the President of the Organization funding the case and paying his fees,  making it another dark facet of the fund-crazy directionlessOrganization. To add to the mischief, come out and lie, ‘we did nothing to oppose the IA’. It was evident that the ‘surprise’ Order on 7 Sept. was too tough to accept gracefully.  

There is no need any more to mince words in exposing the small minded men for whom the popular saying fits in very well - ‘you can fool some people for all time and all for some time and not all for all time’. Thousands of your own members are asking (or crying silently) ‘you got some money and you wrote to Chairman that you should get more (but not raise the issue before the Court in any manner) – how are you taking care of us?’ You have nothing to tell while your All India Organization continues to ‘collect’ money for you. This time the leadership played safe – no commitment – donate liberally, but trust the Almighty, not us’.  They have grown wiser; they can assure nothing to their members as long as you live with your unjustified morbid hostility towards Panchkula counterparts/Chandigarh Petitioners & Murty.  
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